Convicted to Corrupt or Convicted to Change?–Excerpts from an email conversation

They say it’s better late than never! :) So here I am, back on the blog, to share excerpts of the email conversation I had with Conviction2Change a long time ago.  For people who don’t know her, she is (or was, as of 5/09) an anonymous sister who claimed to be struggling with ‘Same Sex Attraction’ or SSA (may Allah help her).  She was also the lady who was trying to ‘drill’ certain misinformation in people’s minds regarding SSA, rather enthusiastically.  The purpose of posting these excerpts is to show how the ideas she was purporting were more of an emotional clutch for her rather than information extracted from science that’s supported by Islam.

The dialogue  started off after I sent her a link to the articles I had written (on this blog).  This is what she had to say…

….I read three of your posts in entirety and skimmed the post where you had listed all the comments between you and others from Muslim Matters.

….I’m not going to comment on the blog because I don’t think it makes a difference. I have said all I’ve needed to say on Shaykh Yasir’s article commentary and you can always browse through and read those.

I understand your need to write the type of things you wrote on this blog but I’m not sure what you feel you accomplished. I agree with so much of it and then disagree to such a deep extent to just a few things in it that I rather not even spend my time agreeing with the vast majority of it. I just hope not too many others come across it as it contains too much that will turn people away from Islam more than bring them closer to it, but our Creator knows best….

My response:

I feel a need to write such articles because I feel that people are underestimating the info in Allah’s Quran and using kuffar developed psychological causes to justify their same sex ‘attraction’ and misinforming ignorant Muslims.  Being a Muslim, I feel a need and responsibility to uphold Allah’s word.
You said: I just hope not too many others come across it as it contains too much that will turn people away from Islam more than bring them closer to it, but our Creator knows best.
Once again your ‘criticism’ is too vague to be taken seriously.  Anyone can make such remarks about anything (good or bad).  Therefore, such statements do not carry much substance unless they are preceded by specific, concrete examples/arguments.
…I feel that you have spoken more than you knew especially when you said something along the lines of ‘Islam doesn’t teach me how to deal with past abuse. Psychology does.’  Such statements are a gross underestimation of Islam and overestimation of the human developed sciences.
I am a science student and have research experience in both psychology as well as biology.  I must point out that your comparison of psychological sciences with the medical sciences is flawed.  In brief you need to realize that psychologists themselves recognize that psychology, though currently classified as a science (soft science to be specific), is not as concrete and reliable as the hard sciences like biology and chemistry (on which medical science is based).  And good (hard science) scientists are always critical and skeptical of their research studies.  They try to look for flaws.
You on the other hand, it seems, have embraced what psychology said about SSA without truly investigating its validity and cross comparing that information with the Quran and hadith. This is a BIG BIG BIG mistake.  It saddens me even more that you have written repititive, lengthy comments to ‘drill’ certain concepts into other Muslims’ brains without investigating their Islamic validity.  This is something very dangerous both for your self and all the other Muslims whom you are trying to “educate”.  Such things do more harm than good.
I suggest you request a delete from muslimmatters for the misinforming comments.  If you are up for doing that I am more than willing to point out the flawed comments that you should request a delete for.  Otherwise, I feel a need to write an article about those comments as well.
Her part:
I would never in my life say anything is above Islam, it is not. What I was saying in comments like psychology painting the way to deal with SSA rather than Islam is this: In Islam I am taught to be fearing of Allah, to trust Allah, and how to deflect the whispers of shaytan. This is the FOUNDATION of dealing with SSA as a Muslim. Every time a brother or sister on our support group has a problem, someone always asks in the beginning how that person’s prayers are these days. Most likely, that person’s prayers are not up, they’re not waking up for Fajr, they’re being lazy about the timings, or they’re not praying at all. We spend a great deal of time getting people to begin praying again. Without these basics, defeating SSA is impossible. After this, we look to what wonderful organizations like NARTH, People Can Change, and others have done in the areas of research and developing therapy techniques to help us overcome SSA from a therapeautic step-by-step method that is not outlined in the Quran or Sunnah in detail. What is said in the Quran is what I already mentioned about fearing Allah, having trust in Allah, deflecting the whispers of shaytan, doing Dhikr, praying, fasting, lowering the gaze, covering ourselves, and getting married, and so on. These are excellent advices that we all need and I guarantee you that the brothers and sisters struggling with thise do follow these advices. We have all experienced great changes in our lives because we followed properly what Allah and Prophet Mohammed (SAWS) said. By doing so we have hacked away at a great deal of our SSA, so after that we need to continue what we’ve started with Islam, still hold on to Islam, and do therapy. Many of us cannot afford therapy so we read materials and many brothers go to Journey Into Manhood which helps them a lot. To this day we have never been told by anyone of knowledge (not just shaykh Yaser, but anyone) that what we are doing is wrong.

We only do this for the sake of Allah and that is why we have been so successful in our struggles and we are not like the Muslims in Al Fatiha (may Allah guide them). I do not believe Allah would’ve granted us this success if we were on the wrong path.

My part:
…With regards to Islam and psychology, I said you were talking about Islam more than you understood it.  In one of your comments, you attributed the causes of SSA to childhood abuse and molestation and hence a ‘natural’ consequence to a certain extent. Then on, you kept repeating that in your subsequent comments intending to ‘drill’ that idea in people’s minds. I believe you took that (causes of SSA) from psychology.  And I’m certain you have not investigated that idea for its validity by analyzing it in the light of the Quran.  You also refuse to believe that SSA is a waswasah which suggests that you don’t have a deep understanding of Shaytanic whisperings.

I think your beliefs about the causes of SSA is perhaps one of the reasons for why your struggle has been so hard and long for you.  You may not have received any criticism from knowledgeable people for using certain psychological techniques/therapy to get rid of the SSA because that’s not where the major problem lies.  The major problem lies in your beliefs about its causes. I don’t know how many of the ‘knowledgeable’ people can actually see your beliefs or get to hear them.  In any case, it’s not always a good idea to totally rely on the opinions on knowledgeable people, especially when it comes to your beliefs that are related Islam.  The best solution is to go to the original source, which is the Quran.  Wallahu Alim.

In any case, would you be willing to request a deletion for the flawed comments if I point them out to you and show you where the flaw lies to the best of my understanding?

Do let me know.

Her last words:
Insha Allah if you ever need anything from me, feel free to contact me. I will try to help you if I can or to the best of my ability as Allah wills.

I apologize for any comment that has caused you to be hurt. It was never my intent to harm you.

May Allah make all of your affairs easy upon you and be pleased with you. Ameen.

If we don’t have the privilege of meeting in this life, I look forward to meeting you in Jannah insha Allah.

My last words:
Well you never answered my question.  That’s not really helping…
Although, the sister seemed to have a very nice demeanor, her ‘conviction’ to stick to her misinformed position was unfortunate. If she had convicted to find an Islamic solution for her ‘attraction’, she might have been better helped but Only Allah knows best!

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Love and Rocks: Interesting pun!

When Love Rocks!…

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And when “Love” = Rocks (hailstones)!…

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Same sex attraction and sodomy: A preliminary solution for dealing with the threat of general acceptance of sexual perversions among Muslims-I

This article has primarily been written as a follow up to Br. Yasir Qadhi’s “Dealing with Homosexual Urges” article on muslimmatters.org and as a solution oriented response to some of the comments generated by it.    Muslimmatters was not interested in publishing this article; this is why it’s been posted here. The views responded to in this article are prevalant, therefore the advice and recommendations presented here can be of benefit to all, inshaAllah!  

I. Advice to Islamic educators, people of knowledge (shaykhs and “shaykhs” alike), and Muslim people of influence:

In a nutshell:  Revisit the basics. Review the rules.  Don’t ignore common sense.    

i. Homosexuality goes against human nature (common sense). Same sex attraction is misguided shaytan suggested attraction (fine detail of the common sense).  Both are spiritual ailments requiring spiritual cures.  Believe that the cures for these ailments must come from the Quran (or the Sunnah). 

ii. The Quran is the ultimate book regarding all matters.  Give the Quranic solutions to SSA and homosexuality their proper due. Do not underestimate the power of adhering to Quranic rules that control the causes of perverted thoughts and behaviors.  Present Quranic cures not just as potential solutions, but as the ultimate ones (see treatment section of this article). 

iii. Realize that the Quranic information on homosexuality supersedes any contemporary psychological or biological research study.  Incorporating Islamically invalid research implications in your suggested solutions is unwise.   When you have the Quran on your side, you do not have to be a psychologist, biologist or a rocket scientist to authoritatively claim that studies that validate homosexuality or SSA are flawed.   So go ahead and be BOLD in your invalidation! 

iv.  Harshly condemn homosexuality and ideas that purport SSA as being natural and uncontrollable at every arising opportunity. 

v. Islamically appropriate anti-gay remarks are not hate speech.  So do NOT apologize for them. Ever.  Push the apologetic approach into the abyss (without falling in it yourself, ofcourse!).

vi. Do not succumb to the pressures of being politically correct, either from your peers or the general public, for making SSA normal and acceptable.  Talk about Islam with accuracy, dignity and confidence at all times.  Stay away from people who try to overpower you with their sodomitic nonsense.  Protecting your personal faith and strengthening yourself is more important than weakly ‘dealing’ with societal problems.  

vii. Be cautious in responding to questions and remarks that seek validation for shaytan suggested attraction and homosexuality. Imagine the number of Muslim people you have influence over.  Then imagine hell. Your one misstatement or slip of tongue can mislead the masses; you will be held accountable for your words and their actions on the Day of Recompense. So speak cautiously.  Don’t get swayed by sentiments. 

viii. Above all, seek refuge in Allah from the accursed devil and ask for His support and guidance.

II.  Debunking the cheesy mozzarella cheese conjecture:

In a nutshell:  Snap out of the emotional and psychological vacuum and seek Islamic solutions.  Drop the kafir developed psychology!

The following is a directly quoted comment of a SSA struggling sister to Br. Yasir Qadhi’s post. It is a good example of the kind of unnecessary emotional sabotage some SSA sufferers commit and the psychological vacuum some of them dwell in.  The response to it follows:

This is a long topic though but just to brush the surface: You will notice people with SSA do not always have good relationships with their parents, they probably identified with the opposite gender at a young age, they might’ve been repelled by their same gender at a young age, they may have been sexually molested/abused at some point in their lives, they might have grown up in physically abusive homes, they probably have insecurities deeply rooted in how unsafe they feel at home or around others of the opposite sex, and the list goes on. There is so much to be said on these topics and it is all out there for those who wish to find them.

Going through emotional torture can certainly cripple a human being but it can never change their innate sexuality.  Put into a physical perspective, getting beat up by a cane can injure a person or cripple him/her but it can never turn him/her into an animal.  Injury can never injure the innately human identity.  Therefore, the more the abuse argument is stretched, the weaker and tasteless it becomes. Stretching it is just like stretching heated mozzarella cheese-when stretched to the max, it becomes close to being non-existent.  The cheesy quality of this argument is quite the opposite of what is observed in valid positions—they withstand the test of stretching because of their strength.  The mozzrella cheese position doesn’t hold any water in the pure Islamic arena and it will certainly be rejected by the sick sodomitic stance.  It’s an on-the-fence cheesy, cob-webby conjecture waiting to be tossed out!  

People who are proudly promoting this conjecture are still struggling from SSA because they apparently turned to kafir developed psychology for solutions (ex:  quoted comment) instead of turning to the Quran (and the Sunnah).  Plus, the approach they have taken, i.e. creating online groups, hurts them more than helping them.  Reason: They are dwelling over the problem with a group of around 300 people and losing sensitivity (see Islamic solution section) about the filthy nature of their “attraction” while they should be looking for solutions in the Quran.

The common sense approach is to ignore the “attraction” and hang around heterosexuals.  This method helps the individuals keep their mind off the SSA and gives the brain an opportunity to be influenced by peer heterosexuality.  Continuation of a the previous comment…

Another point I would like to emphasize is that marriage is not the solution, but it is PART of the solution for sure. Marriage is very important and should be worked on attaining, whether or not one struggles with SSA, as it is a completion of half of our faith. It should not be put off, but it should also be realized that it should not be seen as the sole solution. There is a lot more emotionally that one needs to work on in combination with taking steps like getting married.

See treatment section of this article.

III. Training the tender approach takers:

In a nutshell:  Train your amygdala (brain’s emotional center)! 

It is true that SSA does not equal homosexuality.  It is also true that SSA is the founding block of homosexuality.  In light of these two true statements, realize that when not nipped in the bud, this sort of attraction can fester into a funky fungus. When the SSA sufferers try to seek validation for their shaytan suggested attraction in sometimes subtle sometimes open ways, despite being aware of the Islamic stance, addressing them with tenderness is NOT the right approach.  Observe and learn about Allah’s attitude regarding homosexuality before letting those emotional neurons fire! 

Quranic verses:

“We also sent Lut: He said to his people: “Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you? For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds.” (Qur’an 7:80-81)

“What! Of all creatures do ye come unto the males, and leave the wives your Lord created for you? Nay, but ye are forward folk.” Qur’an (26:165-166)

“Verily, We sent against them a violent storm of stones (which destroyed them all), except the family of Lut, them We saved in the last hour of the night” (Quran 54:34)

Don’t forget the Hadith

*It was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbas said: “The Prophet (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) said: Whoever you find doing the deed of the people of Lut, kill the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.”

(Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 1456; Abu Dawood, 4462; Ibn Maajah, 2561.  This hadeeth was classified as saheeh by Shaykh al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami’, no. 6589).

*It was narrated that Jaabir (may Allah be pleased with him):  “The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said:  “There is nothing I fear for my Ummah more than the deed of the people of Lut.”

(Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 1457; Ibn Maajah, 2563.  This hadeeth was classed as saheeh by Shaykh al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami’, no. 1552).

Now please start the neural training!  Save the mis-expressed nurturing and validation for your tender-toddlers.    

IV. Educating the pop-psychology promoters:

In a nutshell:  Puke the half-baked-pop-psychology!  Contemporary science is contaminated.  Interesting ≠ Islamically valid!

Hypotheses for contemporary research studies are usually rooted in mostly kafir developed science theories which may or may not be Islamically valid.  General lack of knowledge about its Islamic validity is what makes the extraction of solutions for spiritual problems from the psychological sciences, problematic.  Guaranteed solutions to spiritual problems with psychological components can only come from the Quran (or the Sunnah). These solutions do not need to be tested for their validity as they are designed by the ONE who created us all, i.e. the ONE who knows more about human psychology than the struggling (to understand) scientist.  So, as Muslims our solution oriented research must begin from the Quran (and the Sunnah), not end at it.  We must test all scientific solutions that are presented to us for their Islamic validity before accepting them.  In order to do just that, an effort has been undertaken >>> will have to wait for the sweet surprise! :)

The following comment, directly quoted from Muslimmatters, perfectly illustrates the typical response of a Quran underestimating pop-psychology promoter.  The response to it follows:

While i admire the attempt to address this issue I have a few points of concern:

With all respect, I believe the author hypothesizing causations for homosexuality highly discredits him. There is no statical information or sound proof or correlation for these assumptions. It is simply a distraction. In addition, the author doesn’t seem to cite anything nor seem to have formal learning in such areas such as gender studies or social sciences, nor should he attempt to.

Homosexuality is a moral and spiritual disease with a psychological component and the author DOES NOT need statistical information, formal learning in gender studies or social sciences for hypothesizing causations for homosexuality.  As for sound proof or correlation for these assumptions, he’s got that (agreed there are no specific citations from the Quran, but that can be worked on).  If it hasn’t been noticed, his correlations for the causes of sexually perverted thoughts and behaviors are rooted in the Quran and that is MORE THAN ENOUGH!  In all honesty, asking for statistical proof and discrediting him is a distraction, if not a detraction!  It is a gross underestimation of the power of Quranic rules that prevent the causes of shaytan suggested attraction (SSA) and homosexuality. 

V.  Treating the misdiagnosing virtual “neurological nerd-iologists”:

In a nutshell:  Torture=BAD!  Be quiet and feel ashamed! Eat walnuts, they’re good for the brain. 

While on one hand it is a positive thing to empathize and offer solutions for a problem, it is quite the opposite when you are totally unaware of the grave implications of your suggested solutions.    It is clear from some of books that were suggested, that the recommenders did not have a valid understanding of the problem at hand.  Recommending books with  purely psychological solutions (whether valid or invalid), is one thing, but suggesting solutions that physically torture people’s brains, makes them prone to mental illnesses and possibly weakens their neural connections calls a good amount of virtual muzzling!

All people whose suggestions fall in this category seriously need to omega-fy their brains with some walnuts!  Once that is done, they can start some real learning! 

VI. Dealing with the besharm- bandar* and his likes (Language personalized for the culprit)

In a nutshell:  Get ready for some lathi** love!!!

Translation: *Shameless monkey ** A baton, popular weapon of the Indian police. 

Since the present world lacks a unified Muslim government that can chastise movie-making, propaganda-promoting sodomitic “Muslims”, it is challenging for Muslims to agree on a plausible punishment for such frivolous faggots.  Possible punishments should be tested both theoretically as well as on a practical level before they are actually implemented.  The solution that seems the most plausible-at least to me-on a theoretical level, is to send some lathi-armed Indian police after such dirt bags.  This way we would be complying with the criminal law established by the WbKS (Wanna-be Khalifa System) with regards to lashing.  The lathi-charging could begin once the culprit (and his buddies) are chased and locked in the deep, dark, dungeons of dusky Darjeeling… 

brite

And end like so…

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WHAT SAY YOU ALL?!?

End of part I. Please proceed to Part II

Same sex attraction and sodomy: A preliminary solution for dealing with the threat of general acceptance of sexual perversions among Muslims-II

Proper Diagnosis and Treatment:

I. Understanding the ailment:  “Exposing” Shaytan!

It is no conspiracy that Shaytan wants to make our lives as miserable and perverted as possible.  He tries to stray us from our fitrah using techniques that are a topic of their own. The most relevant of these techniques, that entirely suggests the cause of SSA, is waswasah. Waswasah is defined as evil Shaytanic whisperings.  Shaytanic whisperings is not a new concept.  It has a history as old as mankind. 

“And O Adam! Dwell you and your wife in Paradise, and eat thereof as you both wish, but approach not this tree otherwise you both will be of the Zalimun (unjust and wrong­doers).  Then Shaytan (Satan) whispered suggestions to them both in order to uncover that which was hidden from them of their private parts (before); he said: “Your Lord did not forbid you this tree save you should become angels or become of the immortals. And he [Shaytan (Satan)] swore by Allah to them both (saying): “Verily, I am one of the sincere well­ wishers for you both. So he misled them with deception. Then when they tasted of the tree, that which was hidden from them of their shame (private parts) became manifest to them and they began to stick together the leaves of Paradise over themselves (in order to cover their shame). And their Lord called out to them (saying): “Did I not forbid you that tree and tell you: Verily, Shaytan (Satan) is an open enemy unto you? They said: “Our Lord! We have wronged ourselves. If You forgive us not, and bestow not upon us Your Mercy, we shall certainly be of the losers. (Al-Quran 7: 19-23).

II. Adopting an attitude:  Ignoring Shaytan!

In Saheeh Muslim it is narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “Some of the companions of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came to him and said, ‘We find in our hearts things that none of us dares utter.’ He said, ‘Do you really find that?’ They said, ‘Yes.’ He said, ‘That is clear faith.’” (2/153). 

Lesson derived: The companions of the Prophet (sa) did not utter the indecent things arising in their hearts.  They never elaborated on them.  The Prophet (sa) did not ask them to describe those things in detail.  So, the lesson that is derived from this hadith is:  SSA thoughts should be muzzled till they become mute! There is no need for publicizing them by creating online groups that invite elaboration and suggest acceptance. 

The following attitude is in spirit of quoted hadith….

It is worth quoting here what Ibn Hajar al-Haythami (may Allah have mercy on him) said about dealing with waswasah in his book al-Fataawa al-Fiqhiyyah al-Kubra, 1/149.  This is what he said:

“He was asked about the problem of waswasah (insinuating whispers from the Shaytan), and whether there is remedy for it. 

He replied by saying that there is an effective remedy for it, which is to ignore them completely, no matter how frequently they may come to mind.  When these whispers are ignored, they do not become established, rather they go away after a short time, as many people have experienced.  But for those who pay attention to them and act upon them, they increase until they make him like one who is insane or even worse, as we see among many of those who have suffered from them and paid attention to them and to the devil whose task it is to insinuate these whispers…

Source:  Islamqa.com

III. Controlling the causes:

1.  Hang around with apparently righteous heterosexuals:  Don’t tell them about your thoughts (like suggested in the section above).  Just hang out with them…

“The example of a good companion and a bad one is the bearer of musk and the worker on the bellows. A bearer of musk would give you some, you might buy some from him, or you might enjoy the fragrance of his musk. The worker on the bellows, on the other hand, might spoil your clothes with sparks from his bellows, or you get a bad smell from him.” (Reported by Al-Bukhari and Muslim, this version being Muslim’s) 

2.  Lower your gaze and protect (what needs to be protected):  Helps control desire.  Even the perverted kind…

Tell the believing men to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.). That is purer for them. Verily, Allah is All-Aware of what they do. (Al-Quran 24:30)

3.  Fast: Helps control desire….even the perverted kind…

Allah’s Apostle said, ‘He who can afford to marry should marry, because it will help him refrain from looking at other women, and save his private parts from looking at other women, and save his private parts from committing illegal sexual relation; and he who cannot afford to marry is advised to fast, as fasting will diminish his sexual power.”  (Bukhari 3:31:129)

4.  Marry:  Your opposite gender, that is. 

And his people came rushing towards him, and since aforetime they used to commit crimes (sodomy, etc.), he said: “O my people! Here are my daughters (i.e. the daughters of my nation), they are purer for you (if you marry them lawfully). So fear Allah and degrade me not as regards my guests! Is there not among you a single right-minded man?”  (Al-Quran 11:78)

IV. Treatment:

1.  Seek refuge:  In His perfect solution manual, ALLAH has informed us about the best method of dealing with shaytanic suggestions:

And if an evil whisper comes to you from Shaytan, then seek refuge with Allah. (Al-Quran 7:200)

 2.  Repent:  Sinning leads to more sinning, so repent before the bad gets worse!

“Our Lord! We have wronged ourselves. If You forgive us not, and bestow not upon us Your Mercy, we shall certainly be of the losers” (Al-Quran-7:23)

3.  Keep good company, lower gaze, fast or get married:  (See controlling causes section)

4.  Engage in dhikr:

i.  Read the Ta’uz

“A’oodhu Billaahi min al-Shaytaan ir-rajeem (I seek refuge with Allaah from the accursed Shaytaan).” 

ii. Read duas for controlling waswasahs

>(They say): “Our Lord! Let not our hearts deviate (from the truth) after You have guided us, and grant us mercy from You. Truly, You are the Bestower.” (Al-Quran 3:8)

>>Allah burdens not a person beyond his scope. He gets reward for that (good) which he has earned, and he is punished for that (evil) which he has earned. “Our Lord! Punish us not if we forget or fall into error, our Lord! Lay not on us a burden like that which You did lay on those before us (Jews and Christians); our Lord! Put not on us a burden greater than we have strength to bear. Pardon us and grant us Forgiveness. Have mercy on us. You are our Maula (Patron, Suppor-ter and Protector, etc.) and give us victory over the disbelieving people. (Al-Quran 2:286)

>>>‘Um Salamah, may Allah be pleased with her, said, ‘The Prophet sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam used to repeatedly say this supplication, “O Controller of the hearts! Make my heart steadfast upon Your religion” so I asked him, ‘O Prophet of Allah! Do hearts fluctuate?’ He said, “Yes, all mankind’s hearts are between two of the fingers of Allah. If Allah wills He maintains a man’s steadfastness, and if He wills He deviates him” (Ahmad and Tirmithi).

5.  Read surah Al-Fatiha:  This surah is a plea to Allah for staying on the straight path. Pretty, self-explanatory. 

6.  Read surah Al-Falaq: Seek refuge, once again!

Say: “I seek refuge with (Allah) the Lord of the daybreak, From the evil of what He has created; And from the evil of the darkening (night) as it comes with its darkness; (or the moon as it sets or goes away).  And from the evil of the witchcrafts when they blow in the knots; And from the evil of the envier when he envies.” (Al-Quran: 113)

7.  Read Surah An-Naas:  This surah was specifically designed for dealing with shaytan suggested thoughts:

Say: “I seek refuge with (Allah) the Lord of mankind, The King of mankind, The Ilah (God) of mankind, From the evil of the whisperer (devil who whispers evil in the hearts of men) who withdraws (from his whispering in one’s heart after one remembers Allah), “Who whispers in the breasts of mankind, Of jinns and men.” (Al Quran: 114)

8.  Scare the shaytan, Umar (ra) style! No kidding!

Some narrations mention that the shaytan used to leave the path on which Umar (ra) walked.  This was because he feared Umar (ra) as he (ra) had a high level of taqwa.  In light of this information, psychologists and psychiatrists who are regularly frequented by SSA sufferers and homosexuals should consider hiring taqwa-rich individuals to exploit shaytan’s fears and  subsequently shiver him out of their patients’ heads!   Alternatively, if a SSA sufferer is courageous enough to visit a taqwa-rich person on their own, they shouldn’t delay the visit even a tad bit!     

Sources:  Al-Quran, Sahih Bukhari, Islamqa.com, islamonline.net

Breaching their own rules!

In Muslimmatters’ modus operandi, it is mentioned that disagreements are allowed.  However their intolerance to my comments (see post 1) suggests that either their rules are inaccurate or they apply them unfairly.

The comments that led them to moderate…

The admin folks of muslimmatters have decided to moderate me for posting comments of the following nature on “Dealing with homosexual urges” article by Br. Yasir Qadhi…

My First Comment

This is too much to take in 1.5 week!

Beginning of last week, I saw a huge flyer on one of the bulletin boards at a nearby school marketing a movie about international homo-Muslims produced by some sicko “Muslim”. Never knew it existed, never watched it never will. The title itself was so sickening! Apparently, some fags were having homo-awareness week.

This week, this article!!! Seriously, are homo-Muslims really this common?!? Scares me…

…and I am provoked to respond…

Despite being a student of psychology, I dont give a darn about the psychological argument! Homosexuality is anti-fitrah just like kufr is anti-fitrah and given that most Muslims know engaging in homosexuality is haraam (just like they know that engaging in kufr is haram), there is no need to deal with this matter with tenderness. Are we forgetting that Allah punished the people of Lut thru a severe hail storm plus a 180 degree town-flip for engaging in homosexual behavior!

Here is my question to all those who are so eager to address the underlying ‘psychological causes’ of homo-behavior….If homosexuality is associated with mental problems, then why did Allah punish homosexuals so harshly? Do you think ALLAH, The Most Just, would punish psychologically disturbed individuals in such a fashion?!? Think about it!

Someone else’s quoted comment: Shaykh Yasir is to be commended for speaking about the issue with such sensitivity in his article, yet I personally have heard him make stridently anti-gay remarks in class and it is precisely these remarks and attitudes, which cause immeasurable harm to our Muslim brothers and sisters and may alienate them from their faith. Don’t think of us as the other, we are right here, reading Muslim Matters, attending AlMaghrib seminars, memorizing Quran, learning Arabic, fasting, trying to improve ourselves and learn our deen, praying next to you, etc.

My response: Pro-gay is anti-Islam…anti-gay is Pro-Islam. How does making anti-gay comments harm a Muslim and alienate him from his faith? Your (bolded) comment is contradictory. Righteous Muslims benefit from anti-gay remarks as such remarks remind them about homosexual behavior being filth, protect them from harm and make them closer to their faith!

Someone else’s quoted comment: You’re absolutely right, I have at times allowed such feelings to show in crude jokes. Jazak Allah for pointing this out and I will try my best to ensure this does not happen again. Also, please take it as your duty to correct such attitudes (via private comments) and, at least from my side, it will be taken very positively.

My response: Br. Yasir Qadhi, what was that validation for? Seriously? That too with a “Jazakallah…”?!? Am I missing something here or are we losing ourselves? May Allah strengthen and protect righteousness! If you are ensuring that you will not make anti-gay comments in your lectures, then I ensure you that you will lose an audience! Astaghfirullah. (If you are not Br. Yasir Qadhi, plz dont respond to this part of my comment).

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Honestly, how far are Muslims going to go to reduce the severity of committing MAJOR SINS by ‘investigating’ psychological ’causes/explanations’? (I guess, ‘psuedo-psychological’ would be a more appropriate term). So, what next are we going to use psychology for…reducing the severity of committing kufr? Astaghfirullah!

May Allah protect!

My Second Comment

Someone else’s quoted comment: @ Sr. No-nonsense, please!

I am addressing those who have such feelings and are trying to battle them and not fall into the sin…

My response: Even so…unless someone’s heart is spiritually diseased, why will making anti-gay remarks drive them away from Islam? The comment that was apologetically responded to earlier is logically inconsistent.

It’s like apologizing to someone for making anti-kufr comments because they are suffering from kufr waswasas (pl. for waswasa…evil whisperings from Satan). Is it ever right to apologize for anti-kufr remarks? The answer obviously is NO. Similarly is it ever right to apologize for making anti-gay remarks? The answer once again is NO. I hope you get my point.

Someone else’s quoted comment:…I am not addressing those who are flouting the Shariah and openly engaging in sin, considering it to be permissible. For the first category, I have nothing but kindness and sympathy; for the second, the opposite.

My response: So do I.

Someone else’s quoted comment: I’m afraid you don’t seem to understand the difference between the two.

Alhamdulillah, I totally understand the difference between the two. I couldn’t find the original comment the excerpt was quoted from…so from what I’ve read in your quotation…the commentator clearly seems to be upset because you had made anti-gay remarks (in other words, pro-Islam remarks). No where did he/she say that he/she was upset because you ridiculed people who were struggling to rid themselves of homosexuals thoughts.

My third comment

Someone else’s quoted comment: It is amazing for someone to tell someone else that they KNOW how the other feels. When we have examples of GOOD Muslims in these very comments, trying to preserve and protect themselves from their own fitnah, I find it highly egregious for someone to tell them that they are full of it.

My response: Since in your thesis statement you have made duas for me…I can’t help but ask…when did I say ‘I KNOW how the other feels’ and when did I say ‘all you guys trying to protect yourself from fitnah are full of it?!?” Really I want you to answer those questions. It really upsets me that you have read those sentiments in my comments!

Someone else’s quoted comment:  One should seek mercy and forgiveness from Allah that the same fitnah doesn’t afflict them or one of their loved ones in the future. When we flaunt someone’s weakness or fitnah, out of Allah’s Justice, that same fitnah might hit us.

My response: Sure. I never did the latter.

Someone else’s quoted comment: I have seen that happen to myself on an issue, and I seek forgiveness for you sister “no-nonsense” and everyone else from this retribution.

My response: Astaghfirullah, yes I talked about fitnah but when did I flaunt about it? Yes I want you to answer that question as well.

Someone else’s quoted comment: As for the homo-movie by the wacko Parvez Sharma, that has no correlation and analogy to the REAL MUSLIMS struggling with it. People who deny that this is even a sin are committing kufr, and for some of them to openly flaunt Allah’s limits, then they will get their recompense in the most flaunted way as well. Please do not compare apples and oranges, especially when the oranges are completely rotten…

My response: I know it is not entirely related to the original article. I never compared the movie to this article. I didn’t mention it as an analogy, but as something that has been bother me since last week….that is homosexuality amongst Muslims.

Seriously, Br. Amad, give me a break!!! The admin is expected to have a broader perspective than the common commentators.

My fourth comment:

Someone else’s quoted comment: Walaikum as-salaam,

Actually sister, your analogy is mistaken.

My response: I don’t think it is…a waswas is a waswasa whether you acknowledge it or not. If you don’t realize that it is a waswasa then, you need to be informed about it.

Someone else’s quoted comment: If it is simply destructive criticism and name-calling, this is actually not recommended. It was noted that the people came to Islam through beautiful preaching, not through hate speech.

My response: From what I know, anti-kufr remarks are acceptable…as long as they are used with wisdom in the right place at the right time, and are phrased appropriately. Wallahu Alim…

Isn’t it mentioned in the Quran…”…if you mock at us so do we mock at you likewise for your mocking…” Check Surah Hood, verse 38 for context.

Someone else’s quoted comment: Perhaps, you can understand that

My response: I understand that. I won’t say anything about crude joking (as I don’t really know if it is an effective approach) but let’s not underestimate the power of condemnations. Harsh condemnations distinguish right from wrong. If it weren’t for them, we wouldn’t have a strong and clear sense of Islamic ethics. Br. Yasir Qadhi should freely and strictly condemn gay-ism/lesbianism in his classes, lectures, etc. to make it easier for off-track people to get in touch with their fitrah. Seriously, these urges are waswasas…don’t get lost in any kind of hoax. Shaytan likes to create a false sense of complexity in simple matters. …don’t give those urges more attention than they deserve. Read Surah an-Nas.

Someone else’s quoted comment: it doesn’t mean research should stop.

My response: Research investingating wacko hypotheses anti-fitrah inclinations should stop. And Muslims probing psychological explanations for anti-fitrah behavior seriously need to relax!

Wallahu Alim

My fifth comment

Someone else’s quoted comment: I skimmed your posts and one thing that really jumped out at me and I do find it just a tad bit offensive and I think other brothers and sisters do as well… is calling us “homo-Muslims.”

My response: I was referring to the international homo-Muslims who were supposedly a part of that movie. I didn’t watch it so I don’t really know if the people in there actually engage in homo-behavior or they simply have waswasas. I wasn’t referring to the Muslims who are trying to rid themselves of these waswasas.

I will not apologize or be more careful in the future as there is no guilt involved.

Someone else’s quoted comment: Thank you for your efforts

My response: You are very welcome!

Someone else’s quoted comment: Asalaamu Alaykum,

I apologize sister no nonsense, did not want everyone to jump on you, your points are more than valid.

My response: Walaykum as-salaam,
I don’t feel jumped on. I just feel very sorry for some people here.

And just so we’re clear, in my earlier comment, by commom commentators, I meant people who accuse and argue without truly understanding what was said.

Seriously, if we are looking for real solutions, we should consider hiring Taqwa-rich individuals for some Shaytan-scaring therapy. We need some REAL MEN like Umar (ra), whose presence would re-wire the fitrah neurons in waswasah’d (def: full of waswasas) brains and shiver that shaytan out of the head!

This thread should be locked until such men are found.

-April 16th, 2009 at 1:39 am

And finally…My removed comment…Enter moderation!

-Comment Removed
Sister: as an editorial decision, this thread is closed to your comments. We appreciate how you feel about this issue, but believe that it is no longer constructive to argue down this road. You may disagree with this and you have a right to. But we have to go by what we as a shura believe. We apologize for any hard feelings that this may cause you.

I commented on the article even after they warned me.  I’d simply asked Br. Yasir Qadhi if he was involved in the shura.  My comment got published (I think they weren’t officially moderating me at that time).  A moment later, I replied to one of the commentators who had said something to me.  When I hit the submit comment button, I noticed that my question to YQ and my reply to the commentator were on moderation.  After that point, every comment that I left anywhere on the blog went on the moderation queue.

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